Cheating with a Married Chinese Man | Speaking of China

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  1. Thandelike
    Thandelike August 13, 2010 at 2:33 am | | Reply

    I agree 110% with your advice. The culture supports men having mistresses — long term, somewhat openly. This guy’s got everything he wants, and how convenient, it’s at the office. No need to change anything, least of all taking on the headache of dissolving his nuclear family to remarry a foreign woman. I think the odds are very much against such an upset happening.

  2. Xiaoheng
    Xiaoheng August 13, 2010 at 3:17 am | | Reply

    As a Chinese man, i just wanna give a piece of suggestion, in our old words says, 宁教人打仔,莫教人分妻!it means it is better to teach a lesson to your naughty boy rather than teach your friend how to break up with your wife. So the family concept is very important in China, if you decide to do that, i think you will commit a great mistake. You should pursue your real happiness in the life!
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  3. melanie gao
    melanie gao August 13, 2010 at 3:47 am | | Reply

    The numbers from the Zhang study are low. Way low.
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  4. Truthfully
    Truthfully August 13, 2010 at 6:32 am | | Reply

    You need to think about how the Wife and that child will feel….Imagine if the shoe was on the foot….

  5. Elise
    Elise August 13, 2010 at 11:04 am | | Reply

    I actually have a somewhat similar situation. I met this Chinese boy in the States. He had a girlfriend back home that he hadn’t seen for a few years. There was that “magical” chemistry between us. About a month in and he finally confessed his love for me–but I refused to kiss him until he broke up with his girl. I thought I was being so smart…

    So he dumped her. And then a few months, he dumped me. And then dumped her. And he dumped me again. It’s been 1.5 years since we started dating. It’s really just a never ending cycle.

    I’ve tried to terminate the relationship many times, but he always makes me feel so guilty. So, for your sanity, break it off asap. “Sometimes love just isn’t enough.”

  6. Jo Gan
    Jo Gan August 13, 2010 at 1:22 pm | | Reply

    I live in China now.. and the advice is right… most chinese men are happy with having a wife and a lover… or second wife.. as they sometimes call it… He cant leave his wife or he would be losing face. The wife and the child.. are a symbol for him.. and you are just the fun… IN china men do not get to play after unversity.. they are pressured to marry and then have a child… this being said.. having a second wife.. is how they get the entertainment. I see it often here… Men have second wives and third wives.. not legally of course.. and sometimes the wife knows… but doesnt do anything .. for fear of losing stablility and security… drop him and move on… save yourself the heartache…
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  7. Crystal
    Crystal August 13, 2010 at 3:27 pm | | Reply

    I agree with melanie gao – the numbers 15% and 5% are low, and look at how the data in that research was collected – through reading media reports :-)
    And one of the reasons for high percentage of Extra Marital Sex in China is exactly the lower incidence of divorces: everywhere there are unhappy marriages – but in some countries unhappy people divorce, and in China – they seek for “second wives”.
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  8. Nicki
    Nicki August 13, 2010 at 8:33 pm | | Reply

    Also agree with Melanie – those numbers seem way off.

    Oh, and Jocelyn, do you mean unentangle?
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  9. melanie gao
    melanie gao August 13, 2010 at 8:41 pm | | Reply

    That’s an interesting correlation Crystal draws between the rate of EMS and divorce. The divorce rate is rising in China though – I wonder if EMS is going down at the same time? I think it’s impossible to track the true EMS rate so it would be hard to know.
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  10. George
    George August 13, 2010 at 9:16 pm | | Reply

    Messing around with a married person in any culture is disgraceful!

    1. Valentine
      Valentine August 21, 2013 at 4:55 am | | Reply

      Don’t juge people so quickly !

      1. Amy aka Late response
        Amy aka Late response August 11, 2014 at 3:39 pm | | Reply

        Hmm, a person with choices who chooses to cheat with a married person… I think it’s ok to judge that as “disgraceful”, actually.

  11. Mark
    Mark August 13, 2010 at 9:34 pm | | Reply

    If the dude was unmarried and financially mediocre, I could see this as the real deal. Otherwise, this is just a game to him. A couple of my wife’s more gullible friends have been in similar relationships and the dude occasionally busts out the “could possibly leave my wife for you” line just to keep the cupcake pining for him, but of course nothing materializes.
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  12. Jessica
    Jessica August 14, 2010 at 12:23 am | | Reply

    He won’t leave his wife. Talking about how unhappy the marriage is and hinting at divorce is a tactic every married man who cheats uses on his mistress.

    Family is extremely important in Chinese society, so important that many people, men and women, will forfeit individual happiness (or try to persue it on the side) in order to do what is expected for the family. While divorce is becoming more common in China, it is much more common for husband and wife to stick together for the sake of the family and if they do divorce, they may choose to wait until their children are grown at which point they can go their separate ways more easily.

    So I’d agree with Jocelyn’s advice 100%. Make the break now before you get hurt. I knew a foreign girl who got her heart totally broken by a married Chinese guy several years back and the situation sounded similar — guy was married, had a kid, but had an “incredible connection” with the foreign girl. Sad thing was that this girl certainly thought she was his only girlfriend, but the guy was a total player and had loads of girls on the side. The thing is that despite all the casual sex, the guy was never going to leave his wife, and they even ended up having a second child while the guy was still seeing this foreign girl. So there’s really no happy ending to stories like this, get out before more damage is done.
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  13. Chris
    Chris August 14, 2010 at 1:02 am | | Reply

    Disregard culture, race, studies, and numbers.

    男人不坏女人不爱: “Guy no bad, woman no like”

    Sadly, it is too true. When a guy is married, he’s often capable of himself around more proudly because he’s “got cards in his pocket” and a “swing to his step”. Also, he would be more mature and would have more experience dealing with relationships and intimacy than single guys, thereby able to appear more confident. It’s like that everywhere, people desire what is forbidden, some more so than others.

    I know of many guys(Asian and non-Asian alike) who are slick and easy with girls, and many girls like them because they are “bad.”

    I come from a honest, hardworking immigrant family, and I was raised to try hard everyday to be honest, do my best at work, study hard at school, to be strong and reliable, and to take family seriously. That’s how I was raised and I do my best to never compromise these values, which is VERY hard to do sometimes. Sure that sounds “nice” and “great” but definitely NOT sexy.

    There are people out there who try their best to live life morally, by principle, and/or on God’s terms. They could be your boring average joe, the janitor down the hall, anyone really.

    Personally, I believe that people cannot control the desires of their hearts with their brains – only God knows you best and can set your heart in the direction, if you come to Him.

    Religion aside, I’m a firm believer in: “If you don’t tell the world who you are, the world WILL tell you, so know who you are and what you want.”

  14. PymGordon
    PymGordon August 15, 2010 at 3:02 pm | | Reply

    Wait a minute — Let’s not mistake DangerousLiasisons for some ingénue who might “get hurt” by a cheating cad. She’s obviously a working woman who went into this relationship fully aware that her lover is married, someone who should have known better. What does that say about her own personal ethics?
    [I know, as agony aunt to these people, you can't exactly tell her in a straight-out manner to stop being an immoral home-wrecker.]

  15. Ditto, I guess.
    Ditto, I guess. October 19, 2010 at 5:46 pm | | Reply

    I’m in a similar situation, but it’s not *quite* the same. Unfortunately, it’s even worse (on the moral scale) because he’s a teacher and I’m a student. This’s illegal, though it won’t be in 6 months. This is a horrific combination, as far as I’m concerned. I hate myself for falling for someone who: is 10 years older than me, is my teacher, and is *married*. But he doesn’t have children, nor are any coming, as of yet – if that were the case, this would NOT have happened. Anyway, I also experienced that “amazing connection” and have been regretting it ever since. I have no childish fantasy that he’ll leave his wife. When he goes back to China at the end of the school year, he’ll be working hard like he always does and they’ll have a child a year later. . . . *siiiigh*

    However, I’m very glad I read this because now I have a better understanding of what I mean to him. He’s pretty much lead me on, but he also knew that I knew he was married, so I certainly don’t blame him for anything. But, even though I never thought he’d leave his wife, somewhere in the back of my mind I was just hoping that I meant as much to him as he still does to me. Reading this article and all it’s comments snapped that small, unuseful hope/desire out of my mind. I’ll admit it hurts. I feel like my head’s living on the moon & my heart’s living on Jupiter – no pressurized suits allowed. But I guess it’s no fun when you’re the only one who knows you’re being treated as or thought of like a “floozy” just because you’re American.

    Now I just have to try to tell him how I’ve come to feel about this without hurting him. I don’t want to hurt either his pride or his feelings. I know that men have this aversion to the word “friends,” but if he wouldn’t even be my friend . . . I . . . I might not be able to break myself out of it, if it means loosing him completely. But maybe he doesn’t even care about it at all and I was the only one who thought anything of this, so he won’t care that I’ve decided this . . . but I guess that would be easier, in the end, because what I feel now would be increased tenfold if he were to seem pained by my decision.
    . . . . . . *siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh* I *knew* there was a reason I didn’t wanna get into any relationships.

    1. 梓柔
      梓柔 March 24, 2014 at 2:03 pm | | Reply

      I’m in the same sad story. He’s my boss, I’ve known and been friends with all his wife’s family. I love his children as if they are mine and sometimes speak of them as he they are too.

      I know and understand a lot of their culture. And speak a good amount of mandarin with intentions of learning much more, he’ll, i even know some of their local language. He even brought me home to China and I met ALL of his and his wife’s family. Suspicion arose amongst her family but he never outright denied anything. Just avoided the conversations.

      I try to break it off all the time when we fight because I feel so much stronger in those moments, but he knows how it kills me, especially when he says if it’s what I really want, then I have the power. Because both he and I know I want no one else but him for the rest of my life.

      He always tells me how much he loves me. How he just wants to build up another store so he can divorce and have something for us and his current wife and kids he doesn’t want them to struggle at all. He says if it was so easy to leave how could I trust he’s a good man.

      He doesn’t want me to leave the job or him because he’s so afraid of losing me. Since his English is so bad and he has no time to give me outside of work. He’s afraid I’ll find someone “better”.

      Things were rough at home, but his wife has changed for the better thanks to my advice and I just know he can fall back in love with her again. But he insists that he can’t love her because of how she treated him, or rather ignored his existence. He insists that we stick this out till the end of the year, repeating that the only reason he’s staying with her is because he needs to create stability for all his kids and for he and myself.

      I think I can make it till fall, but if push comes to shove I hope I can come back here for support.

      Though I did send him this page.

  16. Ditto, I guess.
    Ditto, I guess. October 19, 2010 at 5:58 pm | | Reply

    In the second paragraph I meant:
    But I guess it’s no fun when you’re the only one who DOESN’T KNOW you’re being treated as or thought of like a “floozy” just because you’re American.

  17. Jessie
    Jessie March 11, 2011 at 1:56 am | | Reply

    Hey,

    It makes me feel a little sick to be reading all this, because actually I have *surprise surprise, the same scenario happening to me right now… Never ever in one million years would I EVER have imagined myself getting involved with a married man – and thus, I would never have imagined I would justify it at all (which I guess is pretty much the case with every single woman who has been involved in an affair, to some extent…). Anyhow, I befriended a Chinese man (am in China right now) and it turned into something more – and has been for a long time. My heart has been incredibly broken so many times and as I speak is broken right now. I guess I am glad to have read all of the above as I too, have truly felt and believed everything he has told me i.e. How much he loves me etc, but in actual fact, the truth is he is just the same as every other lying, cheating bastard out there, willing to use me and ultimately break my heart into pieces… :( :(

    So, I guess after reading all that, I am going to be strong and NOT pick up that phone when it calls… It will be hard of course, but I think it’s time I start respecting myself again…

  18. SBC
    SBC May 13, 2011 at 10:49 pm | | Reply

    It isnt about wife/family/child. Do you really think a man who leaves his current partner for you AFTER cheating on her wont do the same to everyone he meets, including you? Cheating is a form of lying, cultural differences notwithstanding. As for the “connection”, he may have had the same “connection” with his wife/gf he may be cheating on.

    Its a cycle. I had this happen to my friend, though not with a chinese man. And this is a mature woman of 30 who knew better. So I know that when you are emotionally involved, it is hard to break away and you want to believe in the best outcome. In the end though, in her case the man dropped her from his life with such terrible indignity that you would doubt the initial “connection” she felt. If you simply separate yourself from this man and start thinking about the other woman in question it may dawn upon you that nothing built on someone else’s heartbreak will ever have a good outcome. It is sad that you are in this situation, but hopefully this will help you see that you cannot rationalize the behavior of a cheating man. Neither is it ok if he doesnt have a child or a legal relationship with the woman. I hope you are able to recover and don’t repeat the same mistake. All the Best.

  19. maxine
    maxine May 30, 2011 at 12:42 am | | Reply

    In the first place, married man no matter what race/nationality is a married man who may have one or more kids who would love to see their parents live together (raising them) and get old together.

    There is this thing inside us that is so hard to break; the want.
    Wants are selfish, wants are immature, Love is not. When you are married, you don’t want the marriage to end just because of wants.
    When you are in love with a married man/woman, let go, that’s what love is.

    Amazing connection and chemistry? You can find this everywhere with a single man.
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  20. Susan Blumberg-Kason
    Susan Blumberg-Kason July 15, 2011 at 7:31 am | | Reply

    I’ve been in an abbreviated version of this situation. The guy won’t leave his wife for you. They might break up for a different reason, but not so he can run away with his foreign girlfriend. Move on and look for someone who puts you first. You deserve that!

  21. Blossom
    Blossom July 17, 2011 at 4:19 am | | Reply

    I am in the same situation BUT I don’t expect my Asian lover to leave his wife. I would never impose such expectations on anyone, despite the strong love that we feel for each other. Our aim is to continue as we are for as long as we remain happy.

  22. andrew@spy camera
    andrew@spy camera May 26, 2012 at 11:35 pm | | Reply

    This is a hard subject but i do think there are times when you need to know exactly who is looking after your loved ones when your not there. I have friends who have suspected their partners of cheating on them and finally found the proof they needed to move on with their lives.

  23. Maurice
    Maurice June 11, 2012 at 5:42 am | | Reply

    @Maxine: “Amazing connection and chemistry? You can find this everywhere with a single man.” Not true.

    1. Amy aka Late response
      Amy aka Late response August 11, 2014 at 4:22 pm | | Reply

      I think Maxine’s point was that you can find amazing connection and chemistry with a single man, so why make a bad, damaging decision to have it with a married man (NOT that you can find amazing connection and chemistry with a single man LITERALLY everywhere you go).

      Amazing connection and chemistry may not happen every day (especially if you don’t get out enough, or are stuck in a routine with no change), but you can definitely have amazing connection and chemistry with more than one person in your lifetime. So if you do happen to have connection and chemistry with a married or otherwise attached person, be a decent person (to the attached person’s partner/kids etc., and to yourself as well), and don’t pursue it. Know that you can also find amazing connection and chemistry with other people who are not attached.

  24. såidi
    såidi October 23, 2013 at 3:51 am | | Reply

    I met one Chinese guy in Finland, LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT. i said i love him, but he said he has a girlfriend in china, we can be firend, he doesn’t mean to hurt me he just want to tell me the truth.. then i liked him more, now we are so close friend that we miss each other so much and he said he like to be with me together, sometimes he writes i miss you my friend, but the problem is he deosn’t speak English nor Finnish, we use sign language and google translation..hahah and he teachs me chinese, and i teach him english and finnish.. I have learned from him wo xiehuan ni, ni xiehuan wo ma? which means i like you, do you like me ? And the real problem is I M MARRIED..hahah,

  25. Bruce
    Bruce October 23, 2013 at 3:35 pm | | Reply

    WTH! This world is changing …

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