Vlogger Spotlight: AMWF Vlog “2 Wongs Make it Right” | Speaking of China

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  1. Autumn
    Autumn April 15, 2016 at 7:18 am | | Reply

    Love the title of the channel. I keep trying to convince Andy that when we have our goat ranch in rural New Hampshire, It should be called “White & Wong Goats.”

    He doesn’t think it’s as funny as I do.

    1. David
      David April 15, 2016 at 7:25 pm | | Reply

      Please ask him why it is not funny. Back in the 1940s there was a an uproar when they were getting ready to deport all the Asians married to Australians, particularly their women and children, Arthur Calwell made the statement that Two Wongs don’t make it white….

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Calwell

      “In fact, Calwell did not refer in Parliament to two men called Wong. The full quotation is:

      “The [deportation] policy which I have just mentioned relates to evacuees who came to Australia during the war. This Chinese is said to have been here for twenty years, and obviously, therefore, is not a wartime evacuee. Speaking generally, I think there is some claim for him to be regarded as a resident of Australia, and I have no doubt his certificate can be extended from time to time as it has been extended in the past. An error may have been made in his case. The gentleman’s name is Wong. There are many Wongs in the Chinese community, but I have to say — and I am sure that the Honourable Member for Balaclava will not mind me doing so — that “two Wongs do not make a White”.””

      Families were split. And one government official in Singapore is a grand child of one of those women who died of old age recently in Singapore. This official will not visit Australia and does not want anything to do with white Australians!

      1. Jonathan
        Jonathan April 17, 2016 at 2:18 pm | | Reply

        David,
        Thanks for the history lesson. Very informative and good to know. And I agree that if our title were Two Wongs make it White, then it’s being disrespectful to these people. However, our title is NOT and our channel is NOT about racial issues, so I am not really sure the reasoning behind this comparison other than the similarities of the names.

    2. Jonathan
      Jonathan April 17, 2016 at 2:14 pm | | Reply

      Hi Autumn,
      I am glad that you find the humor in our title. Enjoy your blog and your sense of humor also. Keep up the good work and I think “White and Wong Goats” will be perfect.

  2. MW
    MW April 15, 2016 at 8:09 am | | Reply

    Channel name isn’t funny. I actually find it quite offensive as it’s exactly what the racists used to say.

    Oh har har Sumtim wong…

    Great even Chinese people slur Chinese people.

    1. David
      David April 15, 2016 at 7:28 pm | | Reply

      Pretty offensive particularly to the descendants of folks who were deported due to white Australia policy.

    2. Jonathan
      Jonathan April 17, 2016 at 2:26 pm | | Reply

      MW,
      I understand people might have different sense of humors and it’s totally fine that you don’t find the title to be funny. However, I think maybe you misunderstood/misread the title like Dave. Our last name is Wong and hence Two Wongs. We want to discuss cultural differences and clear misunderstanding of the differences based on our experience and hence the Right part. It’s not trying to state which race/culture/country is superior. And I have used Sumting as my nickname since 10 years ago to make fun of myself since I am a bit different from the rest of my peer. If making fun of oneself counts as racism, then I should retake my ESL class.

      1. MW
        MW April 17, 2016 at 7:23 pm | | Reply

        Making fun of yourself is one thing, but what you are doing is you are reinforcing Ching Chong theory.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_chong

        This is something Chinese people have been mocked and slated with for the past 200 years. You are simply reinforcing the stereotype and undoing all the progress (albeit limited) that has been made.

        Just because YOU think it’s acceptable doesn’t mean it is acceptable to others you don’t represent all Chinese. When you say it’s ok many think oh well ALL Chinese must think it’s ok. Some of the consequences of you thinking it ok will happen to other people, which is not on.

        You have to consider the wider implications of what you say and what you do. Take for instance Bruce Lee. Bruce needed to separate himself from the crowd so when fighting made all sorts of crazy noises as his Ki to exhale. Boxers hiss, weight lifters hiss. Mixed martial artists hiss. Master Cho (Tong Long) doesn’t make a sound when he fights.

        This made Bruce Lee famous.

        His crazy fighting noises got other Chinese racially abused in public and got many of us beaten up. My parents generation through the 1940s-1990s were racially abused every single day with crazy Bruce Lee fighting noises. Every single day. I was racially abused in a similar way.

        It got worse as this almost always escalated into violence. My dad spent the 60s and 70s fighting, he is covered with scars from the fights. I had a similar experience I have a lot of scars from the fighting and racial abuse.

        So now do you understand why I take offence at your joke?

        1. Jonathan
          Jonathan April 19, 2016 at 9:49 am | | Reply

          MW,
          Thanks for sharing your personal story. I couldn’t imagine what you dad and you went through and I felt deeply troubled by that in our society. Racism is not ok to anyone, not just Asians. And I understand why you are offended and I apologize if you feel that way.
          First, I am honored that you think I represent ALL Chinese people. I don’t, I never said I did and I am not trying to. My channel is about me and my wife and our experiences in life, that it. We like to share that in a humor way. We are just discussing the differences in our cultures, not stating which one is superior because there are pros and cons in every culture and we can all learn from each other. It’s not about race and/or racism, but if people want to make that into something it’s not, then so be it.
          And if my nickname alone is going to reinforce Chinese stereotype and undoing all the progress we’ve accomplished, we have a bigger problem. If someone is racist, even if I have the whitest name, Ken Morgan, he/she will mock me regardless.
          Again, I am very very sorry to hear about your past experience. Let hope our society is moving forward and be more open-minded, not the other way around.
          I want to be respectful to Jocelyn’s blog, so if you want to discuss more, please feel free to email me. I am willing to listen to different perspectives.
          Thanks.

          1. David
            David April 19, 2016 at 10:52 pm |

            You may not think that you represent the Chinese society. Many white Americans think that you not only represent the Chinese, but also all other Asians and Hapas who look Asian. That is unfortunately the reality.

  3. Phil Chung
    Phil Chung April 15, 2016 at 8:49 am | | Reply

    Love the name of the channel and the vidoes too. They are cleverly done.

    @Autumn, “White &Wong Goats” would be a nice name for a ranch. I would love to see goat meat labelled with “Product of White & Wong Goats” in a farm shop one day. 🙂

    1. David
      David April 15, 2016 at 7:27 pm | | Reply

      Typical Phil Chung. Is n’t he the guy who wanted the Brits to come back and retake Hong Kong in one of the other posts back in December?

      1. Alex Lee
        Alex Lee April 17, 2016 at 10:36 am | | Reply

        Yeah that’s the guy. He is a twinkie.

        1. Jonathan
          Jonathan April 17, 2016 at 2:38 pm | | Reply

          David,
          I don’t think it’s fair to categorize Phil just because his opinion about who should rule Hong Kong. I’ve grown up in Hong Kong and I’ve seen the pros and cons before and after the return. I didn’t think HK was perfect when Brits was ruling it and was looking forward to 1997. However, we the recent incidents in HK, I won’t say the current government is ideal either.

          Alex,
          I am curious what is wrong being a twinkie, just like what is wrong being a mainland born Chinese or Hong Kong grown local.

          One one hand, everyone is screaming about racism, on the other hand, we try to judge people based on where they were brought up. I think we are all different based on our own experiences and we all judge. That’s human being. We can all have our own opinions. However, let’s be open minded, take a step back and try not to make conclusion of individuals without even knowing the person.

    2. Jonathan
      Jonathan April 17, 2016 at 2:26 pm | | Reply

      Thanks Phil,
      Glad you enjoy it! Appreciate the support.

    1. Jonathan
      Jonathan April 17, 2016 at 2:38 pm | | Reply

      Kento is definitely a funny guy. He grew up in Hong Kong and is half Chinese / half Japanese.

  4. Jonathan
    Jonathan April 19, 2016 at 9:50 am | | Reply

    Hi Jocelyn,
    Thank you so much for interviewing us and featuring us on your blog.
    We are honored and it means a lot to us.
    Always enjoy your blog. Keep up the good work.

  5. liujun3496
    liujun3496 May 3, 2016 at 4:59 pm | | Reply

    nice to see you

    1. Jonathan
      Jonathan May 24, 2016 at 12:05 pm | | Reply

      Thank you man! 😀

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